Comic Book Movie Mini Tournament - Finals

[Deimos 100]

THE DARK KNIGHT

 

VS

 

CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER

[Rulkster 47]

Can't let Murica win it out of principle 

[webhead 518]

Pssst:

Batman is American

[Deimos 100]

You're aware that Gotham is in Canada, right?

[webhead 518]

The whole DC TV universe is apparently in Vancouver.

[MT 900]

Gonna have to give this one a good, long think.

[Rulkster 47]

At least it doesn't have Murica in the name.

 

In all honesty I wasn't a huge fan of winter solder. I enjoyed it, yeah but I think there was much better options in the MCU that lost out to it :/

[webhead 518]

Winter Soldier kind of got an easy thread through the tournament but that being said, I think it's one of the best in the MCU.  What are all the others you think are better?

[MT 900]

Winter Soldier is probably in my top 3 MCU movies. The first Avengers may still be my favorite.

[Psycho666Soldier 271]

13 hours ago, Deimos said:

You're aware that Gotham is in Canada, right?

Is this real?  I've never heard this, and always been under the impression it was based off NYC or Chicago.

[webhead 518]

He is being cheeky about something.  Gotham the city is definitely based on NYC.

 

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/5704/where-is-gotham-city-located

[MT 900]

The Nolan version of Gotham is supposed to be based off Chicago, from what I remember hearing.

[Nairn Smoith 73]

Gotham has always seemed Chicagoan to me.

[Psycho666Soldier 271]

I always got more of a Chicago vibe, especially with the heavy mafia influence, but the early days of Detective Comics said NYC.  I could see later Batman maybe being a bit more influenced by Chicago, but other than Nolan's version, NYC is probably the proper answer.

 

Also, there IS a Gotham in Canada irl, so that might have been the cheeky joke he was making.

[Garlic Junior 136]

14 hours ago, MT said:

Gonna have to give this one a good, long think.

 

Yeah, I'm gonna rewatch Winter Soldier again before voting.

 

Also I always thought Gotham was meant to be NYC

[webhead 518]

Yeah I could see a combo of Chicago and NYC.  NYC definitely has had crime and mob problems though.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Families

[Vic Boss 610]

NYC. Even has its own New Jersey (Bludhaven)

 

Metropolis is New York in the day, Gotham is New York at night. They also have their own ripoff Chicago in the DCU but I've never heard of it

[webhead 518]

I think people so strongly associate mafia stuff with Chicago that they forget all the mafia type stuff in NYC (like the 5 families I posted above...which is DEFINITELY a concept they have hit many many times with Batman...including TDK movies ).

[Galeigh 284]

Gotham was always a Chicago rip off with some new york elements. 

 

Metropolis is straight up New York. 

[Deimos 100]

I was just being dumb. I like that it's become this though.

[webhead 518]

1 hour ago, Galeigh said:

Gotham was always a Chicago rip off with some new york elements. 

 

Metropolis is straight up New York. 

 

Except that it is New York.

 

Quote

Origin of name

Writer Bill Finger, on the naming of the city and the reason for changing Batman's locale from New York City to a fictional city, said, "Originally I was going to call Gotham City 'Civic City.' Then I tried 'Capital City,' then 'Coast City.' Then I flipped through the New York City phone book and spotted the name 'Gotham Jewelers' and said, 'That's it,' Gotham City. We didn't call it New York because we wanted anybody in any city to identify with it."[10]

"Gotham" was a nickname for New York City that became popular in the nineteenth century; Washington Irving had first attached it to New York in the November 11, 1807 edition of his Salmagundi,[11] a periodical which lampooned New York culture and politics. Irving took the name from the village of Gotham, Nottinghamshire, England: a place inhabited, according to folklore, by fools.[12][13] The village's name derives from Old English gāt 'goat' and hām "home", literally "homestead where goats are kept,"[14] and is pronounced /ˈɡoʊtəm/ GOHT-əm, like the word goat (cf. Chatham, /ˈtʃætəm/ CHAT-əm, a similar name where the letters th represent a "t" sound followed by a silent "h" rather than a "th" sound). The Joker refers to this etymology in Detective Comics #880, in which he tells Batman that the word means "a safe place for goats."[15] In contrast, "Gotham" as used for New York has a different pronunciation by analogy to other words spelled with "th" and is pronounced as /ˈɡɒθəm/ GOTH-əm,[16] like the word Goth.

 

Elements of Chicago sure but it used to literally be New York and they renamed it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_City

 

56 minutes ago, Deimos said:

I was just being dumb. I like that it's become this though.

 

Yeah like...why not right?

[Galeigh 284]

Weird. I have always looked at gotham as a Chicago locale ever since I was a kid.

[webhead 518]

I always looked at it as both.  Until this conversation I did not know it literally started AS NYC in the original comics.

[Rulkster 47]

On 3/28/2019 at 10:13 PM, webhead said:

Winter Soldier kind of got an easy thread through the tournament but that being said, I think it's one of the best in the MCU.  What are all the others you think are better?

Personally enjoyed Guardians 1 the most out of the MCU. I'll say I think Winter Soldier is the best of the Captain movies though. 

 

As for a list.

Avengers 1

Guardians 1

Ragnarok 

Doctor Strange

[Psycho666Soldier 271]

10 hours ago, Deimos said:

I was just being dumb. I like that it's become this though.

Look at you stirring up conversation.

 

I think what probably happened is writers and artists probably started going for more of a Chicago vibe in the later years, hence why everyone always FELT like it Chicago when it's truly NYC.

 

I'm just talking out of my ass, though.  I think it's fair to say it's ultimately NYC, regardless of what it feels like.

[Olly 39]

For goodness sake. This is so well-established that New Yorkers literally use "Gotham" as slang for their own city. cf "The Gothamist" and such.

[Nairn Smoith 73]

6 minutes ago, Olly said:

For goodness sake. This is so well-established that New Yorkers literally use "Gotham" as slang for their own city. cf "The Gothamist" and such.

 

They should probably make Gotham seem more New York-ish then, because us inlanders aren't in the know.

[Olly 39]

I think Nolan may have been trying to deliberately disassociate his Gotham from NYC. But it's plenty obvious in other Batman media. Only showing your canon ignorance if you think Gotham = Chicago, foo'

[Nairn Smoith 73]

45 minutes ago, Olly said:

I think Nolan may have been trying to deliberately disassociate his Gotham from NYC. But it's plenty obvious in other Batman media. Only showing your canon ignorance if you think Gotham = Chicago, foo'

 

Don’t underestimate my canon ignorance.

[Vic Boss 610]

I've literally never heard of Gotham being connected to Chicago until this thread.

[Deimos 100]

 

According to this him the late 70s, Gotham is in New Jersey and Metropolis is in Delaware. They are across the water from each other.

 

This actually fits the Superman vs Batman movie with them being across the water from each other.

[Garlic Junior 136]

3 hours ago, Nairn Smoith said:

 

Don’t underestimate my canon ignorance.

 

But how is your cannon ignorance?

[Vic Boss 610]

[webhead 518]

3 hours ago, Deimos said:

 

According to this him the late 70s, Gotham is in New Jersey and Metropolis is in Delaware. They are across the water from each other.

 

This actually fits the Superman vs Batman movie with them being across the water from each other.

Yeah they've definitely workshopped it over the years so that Gotham and Metropolis being close to each other actually made sense.