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Yeah there's a reason these movies were a fucking mess. Who plans an actual trilogy of movies (they actually planned making a fucking trilogy) but has no plan in place. Then they hire some guy in the middle that completely takes a left turn on the whole thing just for lulz and to be edgy or something then the original guy has to come change it back??? It's just inexcusable that Disney couldn't have planned this better. I'm not sure who is ultimately responsible (Kennedy I'd assume), but whoever let this happen is simply incompetent. Plain and simple. Movies each have their own charms but the whole thing completely fails fucking hard as a trilogy.

Different situation completely. The time and resources they have available right now and a well established canon to pick from there are no excuses for a trilogy this boring. They had great directors and anything and pretty well squandered all that potential. I don't think the movie was bad so much as I look back at everything together now and just kind of shrug. This is what they chose to do after all that time and money? It's so underwhelming and we could have gotten better. Also Abrams is my last pick as a director to FINISH something long running. Not his forte. Maybe they should have swapped him and Rian Johnson.

The original trilogy was actually...original. That's what made it special. This new one is derivative, adds almost nothing to the mythos, and the quality has been extremely uneven. Even as someone that is less critical of movies in general, I can see this trilogy as the boring uninspired (and clearly unplanned) mess that it is. There are some fun parts. I especially liked the fact that this movie they went to a Sith planet Exogol (though I am once again confused by why they needed to invent a new one instead of reaching into the EU). That was cool. It was something actually new. Overall though...just kinda meh. As I said before, they've pretty much ruined this time period now with boringness and they should just abandon it going forward for more interesting things. They could have done a lot of interesting stuff with Luke starting up the Jedi academy and that's pretty much all burned to the ground now and to be frank, I really don't give that much of a shit about the new characters. The whole resistance, one Jedi (maybe 2), and all that shit is tired. If there's one thing the prequels got right, it was that huge interesting world. The writing was god awful but the world building was awesome. I wish we could have both these things together in a Star Wars movie. I don't know why good world building AND good writing seem mutually exclusive (or in the case of this trilogy, neither good writing or world building exist ). I think this movie was decent. I actually want to watch it again...but there are serious issues all over the place and the biggest was the lazy uninspired use of Emperor Palpatine. To get more specific though I'd have to watch it again because I've forgotten a lot of the plot details now. It didn't help that Rian Johnson completely derailed a lot of JJ's plans with his edgy gotcha 2 hour car chase movie. If Abrams had been able to make the 2nd movie, I think the trilogy would probably have been better overall (though quite frankly, I think it would have still been boring) and I think the 3rd movie would not have been so overstuffed (and would have maybe had a little better writing tbh). The massive whiplash moving back and forth from the first second and third movies didn't do anyone any favors.

It was an overstuffed okay movie with some questionable decisions capping off a largely meaningless trilogy of nothing. I don't hate it, as I think it was still better than TLJ, but I think the entire trilogy is honestly just boring. You're probably still excited because the movie was a spectacle. When you look back at this trilogy, it's just kinda meh. Bringing the emperor back was stupid imo.

I think people are aware there is an entire universe for Star Wars. I get frustrated at the way Hollywood treats people like they are literally retarded and can't understand anything even a little complicated. I think the Marvel movies, CW DC shows, and Star Trek Discovery actually show that people can handle insane comic book typethings like alternate universes and time travel just fine. If they can handle that, making movies in a different era of the same universe should really not be a stretch. There's just so much history to explore from the EU (even if it's non canon it can be MADE canon or modified a bit).

Perfect description of the new trilogy. It was a fun diversion but ultimately...meh I feel kinda bad for her because I'm sure it is not 100% her fault but she is presumably the one that let them start a trilogy with no fucking plan in place among other things so that definitely seems incompetent (at least as far as Star Wars is concerned). I see she gets a LOT of hate and I never really knew who she was much except that I knew SOMEONE was responsible for how meh Star Wars is. We need some new blood. Some things I've heard about for the future are at least somewhat promising even with Kennedy still in place but I feel like they just need someone better. They need a Feigie for Star Wars (they've even talked about having Feige take some control over Star Wars). https://comicbook.com/starwars/2019/12/15/star-wars-movie-kevin-feige-status-update/ Let's get more Favreau and Feige up in there and bring in people with interesting ideas. No more films about the Skywalkers. Fuck all that. I'd prefer we just be finished with this time period quite frankly. They already fucked up tons of story possibilities with Luke, Jedi academies, etc so just throw the shit out and go somewhere else (reports about a movie set in the High Republic sound interesting).

Forgetting it isn't really surprising since almost nothing happened lmao. Best thing we can hope for is that they use the EU stuff in the new canon piece by piece. There's definitely a ton of interesting stuff and nothing says they can't use it (they're "legends" right now). It's sad because the Star Wars universe is so fleshed out that they have endless stuff to pull from. I'd love to see some of these book series made into movies or even tv shows and cartoons.

Wasn't that going to be the GoT guys that completely fucked the last season beyond all expectations? If it was them, good riddance. https://variety.com/2019/film/news/game-of-thrones-creators-star-wars-trilogy-exit-1203386590/ Granted the first 7 seasons of GoT were obviously great (well more or less) but that last one makes me never want them to take on something I like again. Rogue One was good I think primarily because like I said, the trilogy thing is cancer for creativity (though like you said, one director for all 3 movies or at least a fucking PLAN would have helped obviously). Probably easier to make one good movie than try and spec out a trilogy. Things can be like little stand alone stories. They can also be trilogies with a fucking plan. Or quadrilogies. Honestly they should just start adapting book, game, and comic story lines since those are fully fleshed out. Less chance of them doing something completely retarded. Yeah if she's the one in charge and the movies are bad, she needs to not be in charge. They need to pull from the EU because there is a shit load of very creative shit going on there. I just feel like the movies stay in this tiny little safe area where it's the exact same shit over and over again and they never branch out into something actually different. Like imagine seeing a movie where force users actually use all kinds of crazy powers like all the time instead of like barely at all. Wouldn't that be fun to watch?

I don't know why it's so hard for them to make good Star Wars movies. Like actually good. They have nailed Star Wars in so many other mediums (I mean KOTOR fs was incredible and I still think one of the best Star Wars properties period). I wish they could capture some of the magic of that extended universe in the movies. Maybe if they finally stopped making movies about the same narrow fucking time period and redoing the same shit. Also I think the trilogy format is a cancer to creativity here. Go make cool shit about the beginnings of the Sith and all the shit we've seen in the extended universe. REALLY jump into it. Before the rule of two for the Sith you know? Show some cool historical shit and show some shit in the future enough to be removed from all the Skywalkers. The Star Wars universe is a really big place and the movies make it feel SO small.

I will probably have a different feeling once I watch it again, of course. There was a lot of stuff in the movie though that was just really cool to watch that I find myself wanting to see again. I still think it's a better movie than TLJ but if you said they were both not great movies, I'd probably agree with that.

I liked it. Just a hot take since I just saw it like 2 hours ago but I liked it enough. There was a lot of just really cool stuff.

VERY curious what's going on. Wonder if they're going to do a reversal where Rey ends up going dark and Kylo goes good. Most likely the evil Rey is a fake out vision thing though.

Yes fucking please be true all of that. I need this. The Skywalkers movies are very played out now lol.

This would be okay.

I thought the same. Huh. Guess we'll see more soon enough.